Everyone knows that Juan del Val is not shy about expressing his opinion on any topic, something he demonstrates during his nights at the El Hormiguero debate table. During Thursday night the topic of the amnesty for Carles Puigdemont by Pedro Sánchez came up, and it left no one indifferent.

“It seems very serious to me, it seems shameful to me. And what makes me most angry is that people buy this message,” he said, explaining that many people will think that this is an opportunity to reconcile.

“Indeed, he is going to bring him in and he will be brought to justice, but in the face of something that is no longer a crime,” the writer continued explaining. At that moment, it was Pablo Motos who cut off his explanation to make a point: “I always say that when you don’t know what to think, it’s very good to give the money a spin.”

The presenter wanted to draw attention to everything that this amnesty entailed, which was not only about bringing the politician to answer before the Spanish justice system. “Puigdemont’s party asks for amnesty and self-determination and says that Spain owes them 450,000 million euros. They ask that the debt they have with the state of 71,000 million be forgiven, they ask for the collection of taxes and the management of pensions “, Motos concluded reflecting.

“Do you know what this is?” interceded Juan del Val, “someone is going to tell you that this is ‘progressivism’ when in reality it is the most absolute inequality between citizens and communities. People are going to start talking about ‘ dialogue’, ‘pacification’… This is a humiliation.”

For the writer, the thing is clear: “What is being done here is what a man, who is a fugitive from justice, is proposing, so that another man continues to be president of the government. For seven seats. It is absolutely shameful.”

According to del Val, this is allowed because people do not have a “critical spirit”: “Anything is worth anything to people, except for others to govern. Everything is worth it. They are going to sell this barbarity as something good,” he said.

Pablo Motos, then, wanted to highlight the figures of Alfonso Guerra and Felipe González as the “heart” of the Socialist Party. “It is a personal opinion, but they are two people who took us out of black and white and brought us to modernity. We began to see a Spain in color. The two have come together to rebel against the amnesty and ask that we not allow ourselves to be blackmailed by the independentists”.